An interview with Krishin Babani (Sahib):
Krishin Babani was an ardent follower of Radhasoami Satsang Beas (RSSB). In RSSB traditions only the head of the organization whom they call as ‘Hazur Maharaj’ is suppose to address people at mass gathering. They call it satsang. It means ‘being in company of truth’. While they hold this satsang in the absence of Head but they play cassette player. Now they may be playing video. But there had been one exception. One non-sikh and non Guru and non-punjabi was permitted to conduct the satsang i.e. to give discourses. He did it for many years. Many of his discourses are available on YouTube. One such discourse by Babani Sahib is Always remember (i.e. Simran) Guru. In this discourse, except calling the Guru as God, he attributed all qualities of living God upon his master who was Charan Singh at that time. All his life he was preaching the Radhasoami teachings. He had melodious voice. I remember the cassette player of his satsang being played and his voice emanating from it. That was in my childhood. It appears that at the end of his life he was not very sure about what he preached. The following is an interview by acquaintance of Babani. This acquaintance has chosen to remain anonymous. This interview is on the net for quite some time but that site is not being maintained and is also not available by searching ‘Babani’. Hence I am re-posting this short interview here under:
I met him at his Sawan Sadan flat in Bandra, Bombay.
“Meet me before you return”, He had phoned.
“I will meet you but there are some conditions”, I said.
First condition is that I will meet you at the nearby park.The second condition is that you will shave and take a bath and wear clean clothes.
“I am sorry I cannot meet your first condition”, he said. “I have remained in my room for so long that I no longer have strength in my legs to walk up to the park, but I will meet your second condition. I will shave and get ready”.
“All right”, I said.
He had met me some days earlier at the place where I was staying and I was shocked to see an unkempt haggard person, enter the room instead of the handsome personable man I had known.
“What’s the matter”, I asked.
“It is my fate”, he said, “My fate was made before I was born so what can I do. But I don’t believe in Karma and fate any more.”
What, you don’t believe in Karma, you, a great Satsangi? (Mr. Babani’s quote)
No, I don’t believe in anything anymore. I just pay attention to my life. (Walking Now)
We had some tea and refreshments and did some small talk during which he would interject, “It’s my fate”.
Later, I spoke to his relatives and they said that he is getting close to 70, maybe, he is getting Alzheimer’s.
(Here some property dealings were narrated hence omitted.)
I went up the cracked stairs of the Sawan Sadan building which seemed in disrepair. The steps were very high, because the height of the ground floor had been raised to accommodate the offices and halls, but the treads remained the same, width and the number of steps had remained the same.
I entered his room. He was sitting by the edge of the bed, shaved and showered and wearing clean clothes. At his bedside table were photographs of Maharaj Ji, one, an early Bombay photograph, in which he was also present.
“How are you”, I asked.
“How can I be”, he said, “my fate was formed before I was born and I am old now”.
“Forget about all this fate business and enjoy everyday of your life”.
I sat and he called for tea and we talked.
I said, “Forget about all this satsang and meditation business, just do what pleases you”.
“Can you meet me again in the evening?”
“Yes, if you come to the house before we leave for the airport”.
As it happened, he could not come and we bid goodbye on the phone. (Extracted from: http://www.unp.me/f16/radha-swami-satsang-beas-expose-business-dealings-65652/#ixzz20sgEaPG2)
I wonder who this interviewer was and why he wants to remain anonymous. But even in Alzheimer Babani was annoyed with his fate and not satisfied with fate. This depression is so common in old age of Satsangi. I have personally seen many. They all seem to be telling themselves that it is all-right (safe) to die but mind does not agree. Focus of life changes from living to death. Such a conflict.
In the above discourse (you tube link) Babani had advocated that by always remembering Guru/Master’s picture one is set free. Babani was often in company of his perceived God/Guru. In physical contact of ‘God’. Yet he died in frail health, suffering from depression and Alzheimer and not sure of anything. So much for the Satsang and Guru who is perceived as God. I would rather stay away from such God. It is better to stay away from illusion and observe what happens to human mind with age. And see how not to let it devolve.
The problem also lies in the fact that the meditation practised is a derivative of Vipasana Dhyan but Guru himself does not spend more than few minutes with the disciple that too only once. Now meditation is like a kick to start something. If that something did not start, to continue kicking, for the rest of life will not do it. The kick will break the leg. Similarly improper meditation wrecks the mind. Here is more about meditation.
It appears that present Guru has modernized his teaching methods and unleashed the Radhasoami 3.0. To know the difference read here. He is using contemporary words like consciousness. Would some one remind him to use the word ‘energy’ as well some times for change.
Ambiguity and Uncertainty is the only truth. May God save us from Gods.
To smoke or not to smoke?
Ordinarily smoking or not smoking is a matter of choice. Like eating or drinking or dressing, these habits change from region to region. However religions from time immemorial have tried use habits as tricks to convince that they are superior or in control.
Sometime back I had synthesized my thoughts about Habits here.
Now smoking and drinking is strictly prohibited in Radhasoami Cult. In their corporate head-quarter town ‘Beas’ (situated about 50 miles from Amritsar) there is not a single shop selling tobacco. A good place to quit smoking. But that is a different matter.
In Radhasoami hierarchy Swami Shiv Dayal is most reverend because he was the Guru of Baba Jaimal Singh who was first to arrive at Beas for meditation and is treated as founder. Now it is discovered that Swamiji (as he is called) was a hukka smoker. See following video:
The above video relies upon a book published by Radhasoami Trust which mentions that Soami Shiv Dayal answered this question while smoking Hukkah. Here is a picture:
Personally it does not matter. If a person can appreciate Gurdjieff with all his personal lifestyle, it really does not matter.
But why this hypocrisy?
The answer is to suppress the truth that it does not matter. A teacher is a teacher whatever his personal habits and because Swamiji was in Agra where smoking or chewing tobacco is part of culture. After all it was the Mughal Capital. Mughals were the importers and grand users of Hukkah. At that time having Hukkah in the house was a social necessity. Hindu and Muslims who did not like to share plate of food with each other, would share same Hukkah behind individual handkerchief.
However Beas is in Punjab, a sikh dominated area and all Babas are also Sikhs (they retain their beard and pagri etc.) Hence they added tobacco to their list of vices. Just plain expediency. Nothing moral or religious about it.
The conclusion is that Soami Shiv Dayal could attain salvation while smoking Hukkah, we lesser mortals have to abstain if we want to follow the path.
© Sandeep Bhalla
Business Dealings of Guru
Middle Path of Buddha and conscious living
Science or art of living!
There is no exact science or art of living:
We are born to live but we chase dreams. We fall chasing dreams; get up and start running again. Some part of us realizes that there is something wrong in what we are doing. Then comes some external shock. The most common is, breach of trust, either followed or preceded by financial crunch. Or some health problem or some death. It shake us up and the fear inside starts to spill out. Then comes the search for some greater meaning of life or greater purpose of life.
Most of the people increase the frequency of their visits to their church, temple or their chosen place of faith. Some start looking for different faith being disillusioned with the existing one. In this vulnerable moments the marketing of religion is started by the innocent members of the cult by narrating their tales of success due to religious blessings. Dogmas are created from such tales. If the problem is not financial, we as consumers immediately spend money in donation to the religion or its various charities or buying paraphernalia it sells.
People who follows any religious cult do not bother to see the contradictions or hypocrisy of its leaders but they form a new pattern of socializing which is considered holy. They congregate with religious friends, visit holy place and for the first time in life suppose to be doing something meaningful in life. It is a different matter that they continue to do all other so called meaningless things as well.
Religious Cults are cultural clubs with different rules.
Religious Cults offer everything to keep mind and tongue occupied and with a belief that this is the purpose of life and a promise of salvation in after life. No consumer can get a better deal. So what if these cults make windfall profits and never truly share their accounts. You got what you wanted.
I have personally seen one cult i.e. Radhasoami of Beas. I have met with its followers and read its literature beside reading variety of other religious literature. Some links to various aspects of this religion are given here. Their snobbery with money is linked here and here. While it can not be said that all what these cult leaders say is untrue but it is certainly incomplete. Further the truth is always relative. In any case if I start explaining what is right and what part of teaching is twisted, that too successfully, I would end up being a religious cult myself. But I must say religious congregation creates problems for the common people.
It is Mahavir Jayanti today. At 8.30 AM a congregation rather procession of followers having about hundred people was passing through a crossing did not bother for red light. They simply waved their hands and put the traffic to a stop and went forward. This religious arrogance is mobarchy which is a portmanteau of mob and anarchy. This is the birth ground of fundamentalism and conflict which is dangerous.
© Sandeep Bhalla
Business Dealings of Guru
Radhasoami cult Dogma
Radhasoami Faith’s Hypocrisy
Nirmaljit Singh Narula alias Nirmal Baba
Following is an interesting summing up of the criticism of Radhasoami cult:
“It always bothered me that satsangis [RSSB initiates] often tended to sum up morality as basically:
–don’t have sex with anybody but your spouse
–karma is simply “whatever is done to you, you did to others”
–ahimsa is just about being a vegetarian and not killing spiders
There’s no interest in studying what ahimsa truly is, or any of the other yamas or niyamas. But then satsangis don’t need to study the subtle aspects of eastern (or western) philosophy, ethics, and morality because we are above all that. Just do your meditation and all the virtues will appear.
If you are a vegetarian, you won’t incur bad karma; bad things won’t happen to you. Never mind that you destroy people mentally, emotionally, physically, or financially. Never mind that you are deeply disturbed, because if you’re a vegetarian and won’t even kill a bug, you’re swell!. The rest is just karmic adjustment ‘till you’re outtahere.
I wish I could invent a Crapometer. Or how about a Dogmameter? You know, something that goes ding, ding, ding, flashes bright lights, and has a dial that indicates how much crap or dogma is being dispensed. However, sigh, I suppose it would probably ding incessantly for everyone and we would all have to remain in silence forever.” via More criticism of Radha Soami Satsang Beas – Church of the Churchless.
If I have to criticize I would only say Radhsoami or for that matter all religious groups/cults do not practice what they preach in terms of money. Some of the habits they preach for others, they do not follow themselves. One instance of hypocrisy about smoking is here. What they rob from peter they share a small sum with poor people with freebies like Lungar (food) etc. and attract crowds.
If purpose of this life is pursuit of God and emancipation then why the Guru himself is in accumulation of money? See here.
In the present era of Internet and mass communication why we need to build Satsang Ghar (read Properties) in every city town or village? Why not school or hospital or just a dispensary?
It is just “my temple/church is better than yours” syndrome, everywhere. But who actually bothers for people beyond symbolic way. Therefore it is just another cult existing to exploit people.
Any how these immoral cults can not shake my faith in God.
© Sandeep Bhalla
A shameful tale of exploitation.
If Guru needs to accumulate wealth, to secure him or his family in this world, how he can guarantee security to other people in the next world? Faith in money and faith in God do not go together. While they inspire others to part their money for sewa (service for the cause) their personal conduct is different. A usual religious hypocrisy.
One who is intoxicated with his worldly status, his family, his wealth or its instruments, in the same way as one gets intoxicated with alcohol or narotics , cannot do bhajan. And when he says that he has no spare time for bhajan, this is all a fraud of the mind.
More on parting money service (sewa):
Service to the Master is measured on the scale of love,
not in wordly terms.
Once a satsangi lady told Maharaj Ji that as she had no income of her own, she always asked her husband to give her some money for offering in seva. “Will this sewa be of any benefit to me? Does it have any value?”
Maharaj Ji replied, “Yes if both of you are happy in giving this seva”. Maharaj Ji further explained this by giving an example of a satsangi with one leg who used to come during the bhandaras. “He used to come from the hills of Himachal, and was very poor. Just to save money to give in seva, he used to walk from his village in the hills to Dera, with the help of his crutches, covering a distance of over 75 miles.
“Once he was brought to me during ‘money seva’ by Mr Bolokani. He offered one rupee in seva.
“How can you value this seva? Is it not worth much more than the hundreds and thousands that the rich give?
“The value of seva is not in how much one offers, but in the feelings and love with which it is offered.”
The above passages taken from the web site claiming Radha Soami Satsang info, are linked to their respective page. Now if Guru himself is clinging to money or he can not decide where to stop accumulating, can he ask others to part with their money? Did Guru Nanak built an empire of Religion? Did Dadu Sahib, Paltu Sahib, Kabir Sahib or all those people who are relied in Satsangs, accumulate wealth? They were Masters. These are dream merchants. Read more on personal conduct:
Radha Swami Satsang Beas Expose: Business Dealings.
Sebi nod to Gurinder Singh Dhillon for consolidating Rs.1163/- Crores
Money is garbage. We just acquire it personally.
Now forget about above. Where are the accounts of Sewa? Who maintains it and who audits it? Where are these displayed? No link to it available on Internet. It is public money but appropriated by a private society which is not a public trust! Why public has no right to know?
I have no answer. If somebody has any answer, please let me know.
Radhasoami Faith’s Hypocrisy
Babani Sahib’s Radhasoami Satsang and Interview
Radhasoami Beas Secret History
© Sandeep Bhalla